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GLBTQI conversation about Jon Qwelane, some notes

  • 23 people
  • Centre for Conscious Leadership
  • structure: introduce everyone, introduce organization
  • what makes us proud, excited, fearful to meet each other
  • excited: connection, part of queer community, possibility
  • fear: challenged by others, revealing, reports to be made, names to be revealed, white space (not very black) 
  • deep democracy: process of large group, diversity - careful of minorities, introduction to roles in groups, you can change roles during talk, not just a personal view. Hotspots - the facilitators will deheat-support for safety.
  • Zuma said he would hit a gay man
  • Qwelane's blog taken off Media 24 and being watched at work
  • need a queer media forum, media is at talk
  • Qwelane should be challenged by his peers
  • need a reaction to hate crime, not just reaction to article
  • the voice of dead gays, they live in a world where survival is more important than Qwelane's words
  • do we want an apology
  • is Qwelane's the majority view
  • blase about homophobia, don't read it because they don't want it in their headspace
  • middle class queers don't have to be exposed to poor lesbians are the least powerful and so many people with power hurt them
  • exploitation by white researchers and do nothing to empower
  • angry at activists that ignore black women
  • forums should be in the townships, need facilitation in community with family. 
  • Pride is not something that addresses black gays
  • Qwelane is in us too, we are abusive
  • poor women - they are only safe if they have a use to the people they are with, they use escapism not to face it
  • when core issues addressed they get hijacked by politics/activism
  • three responses - being, doing, intellectualizing (unsafe and hijacked in intellectual space)
  • identity-based prejudice
  • courts/legal strategies to get laws passed - didn't bring gays with nor did the public support, need to build a movement, discussion groups are very important
  • political environment - going to appeal to populist views like gender/gay bashing
  • economic environment - social conservatism follows
  • can we mobilize?
  • LGBTQI keep adding letters to differentiate ourselves
  • activism can have many manifestations
  • of course we have to do something about it
  • at an individual and collective level
  • risk backlash, we should be acting in other social movements, as gays is a global viewpoint
  • Qwelane is one of the problems in the environment, etc
  • Joint Working Group acts as watchdog
  • Ombudsman found that it was not hate speech
  • Human Rights Commission said ombudsman was the person wo must make a decision
  • Commission for Gender Equality said it is not their mandate
  • we don't need an ideology we need a way of working in the world with each other.

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